tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post2052611022031248426..comments2024-01-19T16:08:44.813+05:30Comments on SATYAM BRUYAT - Justice Katju : UrduJustice Markandey Katjuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00863856244827322851noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-22821190056428533452013-05-31T19:09:25.772+05:302013-05-31T19:09:25.772+05:30News channel - English, Education - English, Movie...News channel - English, Education - English, Movies - English, Novels - English, Govt Work - English.. Is India still an English Colony ?Bhushanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09337821583652211435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-11245566564519864152013-05-28T15:06:01.573+05:302013-05-28T15:06:01.573+05:30भूषणसाहब क्या खूब लिखा है आपने . और में आपके इस मं...भूषणसाहब क्या खूब लिखा है आपने . और में आपके इस मंतव्य से बिल्कुल ताल्लुक रखता हु. हिन्दुस्तान में पैदा होकर हावर्ड से डिग्री लेकर भारत की संस्कृति पर english में विस्तार से जो लोग पृथकरण करते हे उन्हें शायद ये बात हलक से नहीं उतारेगी . <br />Because, they make a statement and trying to prove themselves wright by hook or by crook.and make simple things complicated. Path Of Synergyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09033001312070356031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-78040519167509001842013-05-24T16:58:57.433+05:302013-05-24T16:58:57.433+05:30अगर जानकार बंधु ये भी बताएं कि दुनिया की कौन सी ...अगर जानकार बंधु ये भी बताएं कि दुनिया की कौन सी भाषा (जबान) कड़वी है तो ज्ञान में कुछ वृद्धि हो । वरना कोई भी अल्लू जल्लू यही कहता है कि उर्दू बड़ी मीठी जबान है । मेरी दृष्टि में उर्दू कुछ नहीं बल्कि विदेशों विशेषकर अरबी फारसी और मध्यपूर्व के देशों की भाषाओं से उधार लिये गये शब्दों के साथ हिन्दी है जो मूलत: मुसलमानों के द्वारा बोली जाती है । यह अवश्य है कि आज सामान्य लोगों की भाषा में इन शब्दों का समावेश हो गया है पर यह उर्दू नहीं है । आज स्थिति यह है कि यह भाषा जीवित रहने के लिये सरकारी सहायता की बाट जोहती रहती है । abhiasha11https://www.blogger.com/profile/12926527417528707756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-48705817773700604192013-05-23T19:11:57.971+05:302013-05-23T19:11:57.971+05:30Thank you Subramanyam Sir..!
Its heartening to kno...Thank you Subramanyam Sir..!<br />Its heartening to know that unbiased people still exist who supports the survival of Urdu. I too strongly favors this theory that Urdu should be taught in its own script rather than converting it into Devanagari.<br /><br /><br />And it gives me a sense of proudness, to be a Urdu knower, what Daagh Dehlvi has said:<br />اردو ہے جس کا نام ہم ہیں جانتے ہیں داغ<br />سارے جہاں میں دھوم ہماری زباں کی ہے<br /><br />(Urdu hai jiska naam hamiN jaante hain Daagh<br />Saare jahaN me dhuum hamaari zabaaN ki hai)Safwan Ghanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01636707784350099455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-61714324205199305402013-05-23T16:43:35.506+05:302013-05-23T16:43:35.506+05:30I would be rather happy if you guys give this much...I would be rather happy if you guys give this much interest on a obsolete language which is called Sanskrit.Manoranjan Pandeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765857012396238605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-32125684160059087542013-05-23T16:06:18.105+05:302013-05-23T16:06:18.105+05:30You said right. Panini's Astadhayi is the firs...You said right. Panini's Astadhayi is the first Grammar ever written in the History of Language. And all languages are having some relation with Sanskrit. But Mr. Katju has no fear for the Sanskrit Language. I think Mr. Katju doing the same thing as our politician.Manoranjan Pandeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765857012396238605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-69023855274729025892013-05-05T15:23:10.425+05:302013-05-05T15:23:10.425+05:30@bhushan, u r free to think and opine.
We dont hve...@bhushan, u r free to think and opine.<br />We dont hve any objection to accept if our ancestor were hindu and they embrace in islam afterwards.<br />Whatever hindu doing today(idol worshing), arab were doing before islam.<br />Katju is writing about 95% indian,after thorough study. He is far ahead from u and me in knowledge.Rasheed muallimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16743237060250768788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-68172851504050297552013-05-05T15:19:36.153+05:302013-05-05T15:19:36.153+05:30@bhushan, u r free to think and opine.
We dont hve...@bhushan, u r free to think and opine.<br />We dont hve any objection to accept if our ancestor were hindu and they embrace in islam afterwards.<br />Whatever hindu doing today(idol worshing), arab were doing before islam.<br />Katju is writing about 95% indian,after thorough study. He is far ahead from u and me in knowledge.Rasheed muallimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16743237060250768788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-11353250305180393712013-05-05T12:20:06.009+05:302013-05-05T12:20:06.009+05:30It is a myth that 95% are invaders. Ramayan is dat...It is a myth that 95% are invaders. Ramayan is dated in Treta yuga which is 1,296,000 years ago (even katju agrees to that). Now people may think that as myth, but there is a written record for that. Now Hindus consider Lord Ram as hindu who ruled Ayodhya. So no question of 95% people being invaders. Katju has no proof when he says this "fact".. On the other hand, thousands of scripts written in sanskrit, pali and brahmi scripts suggest that this is true... Islam was born in the 6th century .. so it is quite recent.. Hinduism is the oldest religion so going by this logic everyone would have an Hindu ancestor. But I won't go that far... <br /><br />In the end you are quite right, Jio aur Jeene do should be the end goal. However I have a huge complaint and grudge against psuedo-seculars like Katju, who spread lies and unverified "facts" to achieve this goal of secularism. Why can't he accept that "yes" Bharat was Hindu nation for all the years before 900 AD ?? This would give Hinduism the much deserved respect and pave the way for mutual respect between other religions also. But if seculars keep saying that India was 95% invaded that is clearly distorting the facts...Bhushanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09337821583652211435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-84421241538728509752013-05-05T03:55:43.488+05:302013-05-05T03:55:43.488+05:30@paranoid, reply for no.1. U may think whatever,u ...@paranoid, reply for no.1. U may think whatever,u r free. Many famous writer and peots of urdu r hindu like krish chandr,prem chndr,jagannath azad,pandit shankr daya nasim, brij narayn chakbast etc. <br />No.2 r free to your opinion but the fact is 95%indian r invader in different period. Only adivasi or tribes r here real india. U saying bharat varsha abt 12k back. Frm muslim belief when allh out adam a s from heaven, he sent to earth and that earth is india.<br />Adam a s is the first man rest all the world r children of adam .<br />3. Arab ,mughal enter india,they manage,they progress india,they loved indian people. Mugrl were the most secular kings.Now no more question of invaders. bcoz more than 95% people r invader ftom different part of the world.<br />So best policy us respect eachother. Jio aur jeene do.Rasheed muallimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16743237060250768788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-37819590160341936842013-05-04T14:03:37.825+05:302013-05-04T14:03:37.825+05:30Sir, thanks for the reply, much appreciated. I wan...Sir, thanks for the reply, much appreciated. I want to know your thoughts about the Vedas, Upanishads, Puran, Geeta and many such beautiful and knowledge based texts which are written in Sanskrit. <br /><br />As Indians we should be proud of these texts and try to learn them, probably much better to remove the "narrow-mindedness" and "inferiority complex".<br /><br />Don't you think, dependence on English is a bigger symbol of inferiority complex ? If you travel to Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia, France, Spain... people there are not ashamed of speaking their own language... However in India a person speaking his native language is called as "Desi" and a person speaking English is called as "intellectual"...<br />Paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04037346880318111931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-77545356888000180562013-05-04T07:48:40.248+05:302013-05-04T07:48:40.248+05:30--
"In my view, the best way to promote Urdu ...--<br />"In my view, the best way to promote Urdu will be to include the teaching of Urdu script in all Hindi classes"<br /><br />Why not other way? If both languages are similar carry additional vocabulary from Urdu into Hindi. This is how English goes on expanding. <br /><br />--<br /><br />A very valid point. However, this is already happening. Many Urdu writers and publishers, seeing a larger market in Hindi have begun to publish their writings in Devnagari script. This enables those Hindi speakers not knowing the Urdu script to enjoy good Urdu writing.<br /><br />Regarding taking in Urdu words into Hindi, actually there is no need to do so, for Urdu words already and automatically are a part of Hindi and are widely and vigorously used in Hindi. You only have to look at Bollywood movies to realize this.<br /><br />At the time of Independence, when Pakistan was being discussed and Urdu was being linked to Muslims and Pakistan ( as per the policy of the British of divide and rule)parallel movements erupted in Urdu and Hindi to fill them with obtuse persian-arabic and Sanskrit words respectively. This was carried to absurd levels in both languages which greatly mutilated both these languages.<br /><br />Today, this tendency is on the wane and both Urdu and Hindi go for simpler day-to-day vocabulary used by the common man. If you look up a Hindi newspaper and an Urdu newspaper and compare their language, you will not find anything of great difference if you ignore the scripts in which they are written.<br /><br />Hindi and Urdu are naturally coming together as they are one and the same language. It is people who are bringing them together because languages are after all the properties of people, not of scholars and politicians.<br /><br />It would be ideal to have a single script for Hindi and Urdu, but for the time being it is best to retain the separate scripts for various practical reasons, which are -<br /><br />- Devnagari script is much less prevalent in Pakistan where also Urdu is used. We should make every effort possible to improve the spread of devnagari script in Pakistan.<br /><br />- The Urdu script has strategic importance because it is also used in Iran, an important country in the Muslim world and our natural ally in many geopolitical situations. The Urdu script is also similar to the Arabic script and hence is an important link for us to the Arab world, which again is of strategic importance to us because of the oil wealth there on which we are critically dependent. Hence it is in our national interest to preserve the Urdu script. The other reason of course is that by itself the Urdu script is a beautiful script, once you have learned its quirky nuances.बालसुब्रमण्यम लक्ष्मीनारायणhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09013592588359905805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-88902170029162420722013-05-04T07:29:17.496+05:302013-05-04T07:29:17.496+05:30@Bhushan
Regarding Sanskrit:
It is linguisticall...@Bhushan<br /><br />Regarding Sanskrit:<br /><br />It is linguistically wrong to think that Sanskrit and the north Indian languages like Hindi have a mother-daughter type of relationship, that is, Hindi is derived from Sankrit.<br /><br />The truth, however, is, that Hindi and Sanskrit are more like sisters. Many languages existed in India which were called Prakrit. They were mainly spoken languages which were not standardized. Later, Panini mainly but also other grammarians like Patanjali, codified the grammar of one strand of this Prakrit and called it Sanskrit (the word means purified or processed). After that the erudite and the elite started using the standardized, grammatically correct form called Sanskrit. However, the non-standardized version of the language (Prakrit) continued to exist as a spoken language, and as it was not standardized it underwent great changes and evolved into the various modern Indian languages. Most of these are also standardized now, like Sanskrit was earlier, which is what gives them greater power and stability.<br /><br />Regarding learning of Sanskrit, it has practical use for professional users of languages like writers, translators, lexicographers, jurists, etc., but Sanskrit has been out of circulation for centuries now. Reviving it now on a mass scale is not possible. We should study Sanskrit, of course - it is a beautiful language and has an immense corpus of literature - but for day to day purposes of the average man, it is less relevant.<br /><br />This is where the situation with Urdu is different. Urdu is a living language used by millions of people on a day to day basis. Moreover, at the non-literary level it is identical with Hindi, which increases its relevance a hundred fold.<br /><br />Urdu is of great strategic importance because of its use across the border and because through Urdu we can link up with Iran which also uses the same script of Urdu and also with the Arabic world, with which modern Urdu has a great affinity.<br /><br />@English being an Indian language<br />It is already considered so. To millions of Indians it is the first language, and to many millions more it is a well-learned second language which they can use with elegance and felicity.<br /><br />A large country like India needs several languages at several levels and we can't afford to be narrow-minded.<br /><br />Hindi is needed for national integration, English for connecting with the world, the regional languages (which also includes Hindi (in another dimension, for Hindi is also a regional language with 400 million speakers) and Urdu) for regional use.<br /><br />As we grow big we need to think big and give up our narrow-mindedness, which is actually a sign of our inferiority complex, which was instilled into our psyche by our colonial experience. After 60 years of independent existence,we should be able to shake off this influence.<br /><br />बालसुब्रमण्यम लक्ष्मीनारायणhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09013592588359905805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-39442558551446331322013-05-04T00:23:49.129+05:302013-05-04T00:23:49.129+05:301. Since you showed so much emotion for language, ...1. Since you showed so much emotion for language, one thing which u can't deny is it is indeed a language spoken by and close to a particular community (which proves katju wrong)<br />2. Aryan invasion theory is a piece of s**t. The culture/tradition/language/knowledge of "Bharat" is more than 12000 years old, much before the aryan invasion theory is proposed.<br />3. Amongst the names of invaders arabs, turks, britishers, portugal and other countries are "outsiders", rest all were the kings of Bharatvansh and fought within Bharat. (that's how the name Bharat)<br />4. Ideally to restore the pride of India, all these references of invaders of the country and the symbols that we still carry on our chest, should be done away with. These invaders attacked the temples, destroyed, looted them and polluted the culture/chastity of Bharat.Paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04037346880318111931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-38733679747812863302013-05-03T15:01:10.343+05:302013-05-03T15:01:10.343+05:30@what_is_not_said,if u saying aryan invasion theor...@what_is_not_said,if u saying aryan invasion theory is wrong, then all invasion theory is wrong, all extremist created this theory.<br />yes, katju blog is verymuch informative for me, and he is writing every blog after through study.<br />Rasheed muallimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16743237060250768788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-60474826807709887602013-05-03T01:16:35.843+05:302013-05-03T01:16:35.843+05:30Aryan invasion is wrong theory promoted by Europea...Aryan invasion is wrong theory promoted by Europeans to demean Hinduism. Of course our over eager pseudo-secularists and left ideologists used it very conveniently without putting any efforts for independent research.<br />Katju's blog seems great source of info for you. Katju claims Hindu-Muslim religious conflicts were creation of British post 1857. <br />If you have time and enough brain to understand read Deccan History since fall of Kakatiya Kingdom and you will understand Hindu-Musilm harmony.<br />What_is_not_saidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15736751472040265150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-80632804099601173792013-05-02T22:48:48.490+05:302013-05-02T22:48:48.490+05:30@bhushan, u alone is not whole indian, and u alone...@bhushan, u alone is not whole indian, and u alone not representing whole india. Many urdu lover still in this soil.<br /><br />Invader, who is not invader? aryan, dravidian, arab, persian, tarkish, more than 95% all r invaded. You read Justice katju blog for what is india for detail.<br /><br />when aryan invaded that time also india suffered form left, right centre etc.Rasheed muallimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16743237060250768788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-64846136134309088572013-05-01T18:23:02.302+05:302013-05-01T18:23:02.302+05:30If a language with maximum persian words can be ca...If a language with maximum persian words can be called as Indian, then after some decades English can also be claimed to be an Indian language, cause the way youth is using english + Hindi, after some decades lot of hindi words + verbs will merge with English (as it happens now also) and then Katju and the likes will start calling it an Indian language...Bhushanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09337821583652211435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-3264981775964003732013-05-01T18:18:11.180+05:302013-05-01T18:18:11.180+05:30If urdu is not a language spoken by muslims only, ...If urdu is not a language spoken by muslims only, then why are you sooo much concerned about its fate ?? I can see so many of your posts taking pride in Urdu.. <br /><br />What Bharat has suffered, no other country has... it was attacked left, right and centre eroding its culture/language/ethos/knowledge.. Indians don't want a language spoken by Arabic soldiers (read invaders) instead a language which is the mother of all Indian language and that is Sanskrit...Bhushanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09337821583652211435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-12862245171337234552013-05-01T18:06:53.197+05:302013-05-01T18:06:53.197+05:30Dear sir, I have no problems with Urdu or any lang...Dear sir, I have no problems with Urdu or any language. However I feel that if Sanskrit is the mother of all Indian languages (which includes Urdu as well) then why not have the same love for sanskrit.. After all the most ancient literature available on earth is written in sanskrit / pali etc. <br /><br />This will help Indians understand their rich cultural heritage, extraordinary intelligence and engineering skills. <br /><br />Learning Urdu would help them express their heart, but learning sanskrit will help them create self-respect for our ancestors and increase knowledge... Now what is more important ??? Reviving a language which is spoken / written / read by a particular community or learning Sanskrit which anyone understanding devnagri can read/write ??? Bhushanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09337821583652211435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-60403547000307827112013-05-01T13:18:53.840+05:302013-05-01T13:18:53.840+05:30You miss my point that I am trying to make. As per...You miss my point that I am trying to make. As per Wikipedia - and I would agree to the logic given there - "most linguists consider them (Urdu & Hindi) to be two standardized forms of the same language, and consider the differences to be sociolinguistic, though a few classify them separately. The syntax (grammar), morphology, and the core vocabulary of both the languages are essentially identical."<br />Sushil Prasadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09645411838440372345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-81178411728952042702013-05-01T09:12:53.230+05:302013-05-01T09:12:53.230+05:30@Sushil Prasad
Reminds me of another illustrous p...@Sushil Prasad<br /><br />Reminds me of another illustrous poet who said something like "a rose by another name will smell as beautiful".<br /><br />Whether it is called shayari, kavita, poem, kavya or something else, what would matter is its capacity to connect with human hearts. This quality of Ghalib's writings would not be affected by calling it any name of your choice.बालसुब्रमण्यम लक्ष्मीनारायणhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09013592588359905805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-53783207092365538982013-04-30T23:28:17.660+05:302013-04-30T23:28:17.660+05:30... the bastard mongrel speech of the army on the ...... the bastard mongrel speech of the army on the move, Urdu, camp language, in which half a dozen half-understood tongues jabbered and whistled and produced to everyone's surprise, a beautiful sound: a poet's language born out of soldier's mouths. - Salman Rushdie in “The Enchantress of Florence”<br />Sushil Prasadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09645411838440372345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-55395187257149511322013-04-30T23:26:13.755+05:302013-04-30T23:26:13.755+05:30An existentialist question: “If Ghalib or Mir or F...An existentialist question: “If Ghalib or Mir or Firaq had written their poetry in Devnagari, would it be referred as shayari or would it be termed kavita?”Sushil Prasadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09645411838440372345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720071062570496465.post-8002959562122589832013-04-29T18:10:05.523+05:302013-04-29T18:10:05.523+05:30It is quite interesting and useful. You have done ...It is quite interesting and useful. You have done a fantastic job here. Wish to see more updates from you.<br /><a href="agricommoditytipsprovider.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">NCDEX TIPS </a>Nidhi Jainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423584115742417080noreply@blogger.com