Dear Amit,
I am glad you have given me an opportunity to express my views about Kashmiri Pandits, since I have often been misunderstood by my Kashmiri Pandit brothers and sisters.
I condemn, and have always condemned, atrocities and oppression of anyone, whether Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, or Christian. I have spoken out against discrimination, harassment, and ill-treatment of Muslims in India, who are often branded as terrorists and falsely implicated in bomb blast and other incidents of violence, and they have to often spend several years in jail before being ultimately found innocent and acquitted. Muslims in India are often not given houses on rent, jobs or bank loans, and are often discriminated in other matters (see the Sachar Committee report in this connection). I have also spoken out against oppression and atrocities on Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Ahmadis, Shias in Pakistan. Often Hindus in Pakistan are abducted and have to pay ransom for their release. Many Hindus have been killed in Pakistan. Often Hindu girls are abducted and forcibly converted. Thousands of Hindus from Pakistan have fled into India because they could not tolerate the atrocities on them any longer.
In the same manner I condemn the atrocities on Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir from 1989 onwards. Kashmiri Pandits constituted a small minority in Kashmir (3% or so).They were a gentle peace loving people, but many were selectively targeted and slaughtered, their women often raped, and other atrocities committed on them, and ultimately they had to flee from their homeland out of fear. Since Kashmiri Pandits are only 5 lac or so in number in India they are not a big vote bank, and so hardly anyone lifted a finger when they were hounded out from their homeland. I am myself a Kashmiri Pandit, and though my ancestors had left the valley about 200 years ago (my wife's family remained in Kashmir till recent times, and many of her relatives have told me about the atrocities and indignities they had to suffer in Kashmir) I can fully understand their pain. I was therefore very sad when many Kashmiri Pandits attacked me when I spoke out against Narendra Modi for what he did to Muslims in Gujrat in 2002. These persons said that Modi helped Kashmiri Pandits who had been displaced. Does this justify slaughter of thousands of Muslims in 2002 ? All the perfumes of Arabia will not wipe away the stain on Modi for what was done to Muslims then.
Although I am a Kashmiri Pandit, I am an Indian first, and as I have explained in my article 'What is India' (see my blog justicekatju.blogspot.in as well as the video on the website kgfindia.com), India has tremendous diversity (because it is broadly a country of immigrants). Hence the only way to keep it united and take it on the path of prosperity is secularism and giving equal respect to all communities and sections of society.
A hallmark of a civilized society is that minorities therein are able to live a life of dignity and equality. From that point of view both India and Pakistan fail the test.
I regard 99% people of all communities, whether Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, etc to be good, but the 1% mischievous people are often successful in misguiding the 99% and make Hindus and Muslims fight with each other It is high time now that the 99% see through this game.
I am glad you have given me an opportunity to express my views about Kashmiri Pandits, since I have often been misunderstood by my Kashmiri Pandit brothers and sisters.
I condemn, and have always condemned, atrocities and oppression of anyone, whether Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, or Christian. I have spoken out against discrimination, harassment, and ill-treatment of Muslims in India, who are often branded as terrorists and falsely implicated in bomb blast and other incidents of violence, and they have to often spend several years in jail before being ultimately found innocent and acquitted. Muslims in India are often not given houses on rent, jobs or bank loans, and are often discriminated in other matters (see the Sachar Committee report in this connection). I have also spoken out against oppression and atrocities on Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Ahmadis, Shias in Pakistan. Often Hindus in Pakistan are abducted and have to pay ransom for their release. Many Hindus have been killed in Pakistan. Often Hindu girls are abducted and forcibly converted. Thousands of Hindus from Pakistan have fled into India because they could not tolerate the atrocities on them any longer.
In the same manner I condemn the atrocities on Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir from 1989 onwards. Kashmiri Pandits constituted a small minority in Kashmir (3% or so).They were a gentle peace loving people, but many were selectively targeted and slaughtered, their women often raped, and other atrocities committed on them, and ultimately they had to flee from their homeland out of fear. Since Kashmiri Pandits are only 5 lac or so in number in India they are not a big vote bank, and so hardly anyone lifted a finger when they were hounded out from their homeland. I am myself a Kashmiri Pandit, and though my ancestors had left the valley about 200 years ago (my wife's family remained in Kashmir till recent times, and many of her relatives have told me about the atrocities and indignities they had to suffer in Kashmir) I can fully understand their pain. I was therefore very sad when many Kashmiri Pandits attacked me when I spoke out against Narendra Modi for what he did to Muslims in Gujrat in 2002. These persons said that Modi helped Kashmiri Pandits who had been displaced. Does this justify slaughter of thousands of Muslims in 2002 ? All the perfumes of Arabia will not wipe away the stain on Modi for what was done to Muslims then.
Although I am a Kashmiri Pandit, I am an Indian first, and as I have explained in my article 'What is India' (see my blog justicekatju.blogspot.in as well as the video on the website kgfindia.com), India has tremendous diversity (because it is broadly a country of immigrants). Hence the only way to keep it united and take it on the path of prosperity is secularism and giving equal respect to all communities and sections of society.
A hallmark of a civilized society is that minorities therein are able to live a life of dignity and equality. From that point of view both India and Pakistan fail the test.
I regard 99% people of all communities, whether Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, etc to be good, but the 1% mischievous people are often successful in misguiding the 99% and make Hindus and Muslims fight with each other It is high time now that the 99% see through this game.
Sir,
ReplyDeleteI'm a big fan of you and your blog.. But the issue with the "influential" is that they tend to be selective in criticism. It's true that if Modi has abetted in those crimes, nothing can atone him from the God, or Justice.. But selectively choosing only a single side does no good, as is done by many pseudo-secularists. I really hope, you aren't one of them..
You yourself being a judge should know that SIT appointed by Supreme court have not said anything about Modi. Riots in 2002 were controlled in 1 day, all adjacent congress ruled states refused to send any police to gujrat for help even after modi requesting it. Kashmiri pandits like me were selectively targeted so that we leave the valley. Announcements were made in the death of night on loudspeakers throughout Kashmir and the slogan was "Hindu men leave from Kashmir but leave behind your girls and wives."
DeleteIf you go to Kashmir today (I was there few months back) they ask you "when did u come from India/when are you going back to India." This is the language. Your lecturing is of no use unless you yourself feel the pain of leaving your nests of thousands of years. Atleast Modi is saying development of all, appeasement of none. Have you said anything against mulayams or gandhis or abdullahs or thackreys. Plus let me remind you what Modi has said, "if i am guilty, hang me on the road, but dont pardon me if I just say sorry." This is the man he is. Not that I am any modi bhakt, but we can look through clearly what phony seculars are trying to do,
Lots to say, but dont want to waste time & energy on someone whose mind is made up and is not ready to go through the facts.
Let me give you one more example:
There has been thousands of riots in India post 47 (including 2002), you are a judge, make a statistic of each and every riot, from what prompted riots, how did it happen, what and who were the casualties, who were responsible, what was the time taken to calm things down, what was the investigation done, what was the result. If you have guts, do it and make the results public. Do it, i request you, do it and make it public. Either I change my views after the results or you change it.
Dont mean any disrespect to you, but but but...enough of lies now.
Greatly written......Mr Katzu we want your answer
DeleteHow both india and pakistan have failed in the test? How can you equate pakistan with india on the question of justice to minorities?This seem to be very coloured and prejudiced statement?
ReplyDeleteplease also write about the hallmark of civilised society? shall be enlightened.
Got it...the issue of Kashmiri Pandit is this:
ReplyDelete"As a Kashimiri Pandit you can not support Modi because of what happened to Muslims in 2002."
That could have been said in 1 line. Why waste so much silicon ink?
No,what he meant is despite being a Kashmiri Pandit who should support Modi, he actually supported the Muslims because injustice was done to them in Gujarat. And injustice is not corrected by another injustice..
DeleteInjustice to muslims is being done by congress which is using them as votebank. But Modi has always tried his best to give justice to his gujarati muslims. He has gone to muslim areas at midnight without any security to even test if there is any sort of resentment over him. And most of all, In elections, BJP wins with an overwhelming majority in those muslim dominated areas! Lets leave it aside and come to the concern of congress over these muslims. What is congress doing at centre if it really thinks if there is any injustice to muslims? why can't it go to Gujarat along with its paid media gang to check for themselves and give the fresh report to the court? why can't Congress raise this issue when the elections were held in gujarat? ( It's such a pity that they dint even utter a word about injustice to minorities in gujarat). Why Mr. Markandey Katju is hell bent on Modi alone when we have far more brutal riots that happened under congress rule? 25000 (25 THOUSAND)gujaratis lost their lives 1969 riot which went on for a good SIX months! 1985 riots claimed 2500 innocent lives again under congress rule! but now there is such an amity between Hindu- Muslim community that riots are a thing of worst past memory for them! Its all because of Modi! Why Katju cannot himself go to Gujarat and see it for himself? Atleast being the press council, Why can't he ask all the indian press to go there and give the coverage whats really happening there?
DeleteKatju is trying to pay for giving him job and place to stay in Delhi
DeleteWho's Amit?
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DeleteJust pray he is also not termed as a gang rapist now...Media is convincing us as if 100% Indian Men are gang rapists!
Other lines are 'priyancha naanRtam bruuyat, yeshaa sanatana dharmah' these lines are intended to develop harmonious social and human relations. The author warns not to tell lies and falsehood at any cost, even if they sound sweet and dear; but if it is bitter, refrain from telling truth, for e.g. a sudden calamitous news to a very old man, or sentimentally weak person, or to heart patient, etc. But the first line is the real guideline. Tell truth only and that should be sweet and dear. It can also mean you can tell truths not in a harsh manner but in a sweet and dear manner. Be that as it may, I can only agree with Katju if he includes among the 90% to which he referred because only such persons as he refers can talk in such a cavalier fashion.
ReplyDeletein the last but one line, please read 'includes himself' in place of 'includes' (11th word).
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DeleteNow that every Men in India is viewed as a gang rapist by the hysteria in various media channels - I am slightly confused.
Who exactly now falls in those 90%? Will all Men, who are termed as gang rapists (and Justice Verma almost seems to be passing a "sweet" law yesterday's discussion on Men..err Hindu Men) - how this 90% will change to include Indian Men?
Other lines are 'priyancha naanRtam bruuyat, yeshaa sanatana dharmah' these lines are intended to develop harmonious social and human relations. The author warns not to tell lies and falsehood at any cost, even if they sound sweet and dear; but if it is bitter, refrain from telling truth, for e.g. a sudden calamitous news to a very old man, or sentimentally weak person, or to heart patient, etc. But the first line is the real guideline. Tell truth only and that should be sweet and dear. It can also mean you can tell truths not in a harsh manner but in a sweet and dear manner. Be that as it may, I can only agree with Katju if he includes among the 90% to which he referred because only such persons as he refers can talk in such a cavalier fashion.
ReplyDelete"Does this justify slaughter of thousands of Muslims in 2002 ? All the perfumes of Arabia will not wipe away the stain on Modi for what was done to Muslims then."
ReplyDeleteThe Supreme court appointed SIT dint find any evidence against Modi.As it is, you stand in contempt of court.
You keep on blabbering,but do nothing,nothing at all. Heck,you cant even control the paid media,the very task for which you have been appointed at our expense. I dint see you advocating Jan lokpal bill,I dint see you advocating for an independent CBI. So dont try to enlighten us with the fragrance of your 'wisdom',but please look in the mirror and ask yourself "What have I done to change the condition of my country?"
Your habit of pleasing your masters have deluded your logic.Nobody in their right minds would compare GODHRA and the plight of kashmiri pandits. You conviniently forgot to state an important fact regarding Guj riots in your blog. But let me remind you that the riots started after a group of muslims burned down an entire coach filled with karsevakas returning from AYODHYA. But the onslaught on 4 million Kashmiri pandits was unprovoked.Heck Gujarities didnt chase the muslims out of gujarat. They are living peacefully and are doing better than their brothers in other states according to Sacchar commitee report.
But we (those 90% idiots) are aware of your tactics. Everytime when reminded about brutalities committed by minorities is brought into picture,you conveniently forget the facts and cite the atrocities committed by majority to balance stuff out. You forget balancing things out is not justice.
You criticize modi and nitish kumar,but why do u not criticize rajiv gandhi for 1984 riots? Why do you not criticize A.RAJA and P.Chidambram for 2g scam? Why do you not criticize the Assam CM for Assam riots? If you are such a firm believer in justice, as your blog name suggests,why dont u dont you join the campaign for bringing the black money stasted abroad by corrupt politicians? I m sorry Mr katju,but your voice is not credible.
So at the 23rd anniversary of kasmiri pandit exodus,you instead of suggesting solutions are trying to cite Godhra riots to balance things. How cheap! Is this what you learnt as a Judge?? I am now convinved that there is essentially no difference between you and politicians. You try to hide behind your convoluted logic in pursuit of ulterior objectives and hence are directly responsible for condition in which my beloved country is today.
Today you could have easily suggested solutions to rehabilitate Kashmiri Pundits back to their 5000 year old home. But instead you chose to politicize the situation by mentioning Guj. riots to earn some brownie points.
In a nutshell, if you want to do something for your country,look ahead into the future and do something substantive instead of drawing salary from taxpayers money and keep reminding us of Guj riots. If you cant do that,please spare us from your life draining monologue.
Very truly said....he is one person who keeps blabbering but wont do anything and if someone tries to do something, he will criticize them. He sells justice for Rs 1.5 lakhs and then justifies it on his blog and claims to have all the wisdom in the world. Justice Katju, please spare us your pearls of wisdom and do something to clean up the media for which I (mango man) pay you and you live a livish life in some bunglow in Delhi. STOP BLABBERING.
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Kal sarkaar barkha dutt ke programme mein sharik hue the. Kya sahab nahin jante ki nira radia, barkha dutt or congress ka kya rishta hai? Media ko khak saaf karenge ye. Aise channel ka bhi to bahishkaar karo katju ji.
DeleteA judge should not be allowed to hold any public office after retirement. This will enhance the reputation of judiciary. Katju is denting the image of judiciary.
DeleteVery true said about this Drunkard Justice Katju Chachha , he can't deny that he boozes daily which is often discussed by Allahabad High Court lawyers.
DeleteSo aptly said. Katju clearly has an agenda against BJP and extremely pro congress. He wants to undermine anyone who is against congress or it's ideology. Sometime ago he wrote lies about good things of Mughal and Islamic invaders and wrote that they did not do that much damage. As a long time historian I was appalled and astonished at the half truths and blatant lies he write in support of the invaders. I wish he kept his mouth shut if he cannot speak truth.
DeleteWith this kind of dirty bias that Katju has shown... i feel concerned about the cases where Katju would has given verdict as a Supreme Court judge... probably all such cases should be RE-OPENED... i am sure many people will agree on this.....
DeleteYet another wisdom from the man who asked the gang rapists to buy justice. This is not even Saudi Arabia, but India.
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Sir ... When are you joining congress...?? All best to be our next.... PM/HM...?? I don't know what will congress offer to you
ReplyDeletesahab ke dada jaan CM the congress mein. aise thode hi judge ban gaye sahab! congress to inki apni party hai. congress sikhon ka katl kare to bhi katju ji ki apni party. iska thode hi bahishakar karenge janaab! katju sahab ek baat batao ki zameer bech kar koi kaise jee leta hai?
Deleteeh tho mujhe path nahi tha....Doctor ka beta doctor, judge ka beta judge, PM ka beta PM......it happens......
DeleteSir,
ReplyDeletePlease as an admirer of you, I want an explanation to all the allegations made on you in these various comments...
Kaisa explanation? His grandfather Dr. Kailash Nath Katju was the Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh, the Governor of West Bengal and Orissa, as well as the Union Law, Home and Defence Minister. He was in congress. His father and uncle were Judges. Bhai aise thode hi ye hazoor judge ban gaye the. Bina god father ke koi judge nahin banta. Judge ban ne ke liye bhaut jyada jugaad chahiye. Aur jo bahut hi jyada jugadi hote hain unhe hi retirement ke baad koi haddi milti hai!! Post retirement job ek behtreen test hai yah jaan ne ka ki koi judge kitna jugaadi hai. Congress ke banaye hue judge hain ye. Har party yahi koshish karti hai ki uski convenince ke hisaab se hi judge bane! Bharat ke bhinn high courts mein jo sab se jyada duffer par party se sambandhit vakil hota hai wohi AG, additional AG, etc etc banaye jaate hain. Sarkaari vakil bhi yahi bante hain aur conviction rate kam hone ka ek bada karan yahi nepotism hai. Par sahi baat ko na to koi kehta hai na koi koi theek karna chahta hai. Sirf chilate hain ki hum bharat ko mahan banyenge. Kuch varsha pehle gujrat high court mein ek mahila judge ke samaksh pesh hone ka durfagya prapt hua. madam ko na to crpc ka gyan tha na hi evidence ka na ipc. bada aaschrya hua ki judge kisne banaya? kuch din madam ko observe kiya aur mallom pada ki constitution aur civil law ka gyan bhi shoonya hai madam ka? phir pata chala ki madam bhi kahin ke CM ki beti hain!! yahi yogayta hai ab judge ban ne ki!!
DeleteOMG!!! Guj wala case toh really shocking tha!!
DeleteAise bhi judge hote hain??
I was really elated by Judiciary when Chautala got 14 years jail term for scam.. But this incidence destroyed the entire confidence in Judiciary in me!!
Ek aur cheez jo bahut hi jyada aascharaychakit karti hai woh hai high court ke judges ka chief justice aur supreme court ke judges ban na. In this case merit and seniority is totally ignored and if you have links with a judge in the supreme court collegium only then you will be considered for the job. There are about 500 plus permanent judges in various high courts and if you have the right links you can supersede hundreds of them and be elevated as chief justice of some high court or to supreme court.
DeleteAaj 3 naye high courts ke chief justices ke naam public hue katju sahab. Ek sahab 130 judges ko supersede kar gaye!! Kya ye 130 duffer the? Jugaad ka khel hai saara. Na merit na seniority sirf jugaad!!
DeleteYou have been writing very beautifully Sir. I have seen recently in news channels that Kasmiri Pnadits has objection as you about Narendra Modi. I am truly agreed with your point that a hallmark for a civilized society is when the minorities live happily. That 1% miscreants successful and misleading 99% and it only happens here in India. Does it a flaw of the constitution? Does constitution really give powers to its citizens? It's a big question for all legislators. Corruption level is high as the power to politicians. Delhi police is rated as best police in the country as Union Govt. operates its functionaries. Would situation be different if Delhi police comes under Delhi Govt? I would say. Then politician would be more powerful that what they are now. I would request you to say something on it and express your views. As Ms Shiels Dikshit requested Delhi Uniion Govt to bring the Delhi police under the Delhi Govt.
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Ferjo khan
India
You have been writing very beautifully Sir. I have seen recently in news channels that Kasmiri Pnadits has objection as you about Narendra Modi. I am truly agreed with your point that a hallmark for a civilized society is when the minorities live happily. That 1% miscreants successful and misleading 99% and it only happens here in India. Does it a flaw of the constitution? Does constitution really give powers to its citizens? It's a big question for all legislators. Corruption level is high as the power to politicians. Delhi police is rated as best police in the country as Union Govt. operates its functionaries. Would situation be different if Delhi police comes under Delhi Govt? I would say. Then politician would be more powerful that what they are now. I would request you to say something on it and express your views. As Ms Shiels Dikshit requested Delhi Uniion Govt to bring the Delhi police under the Delhi Govt.
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Ferjo khan
India
Feroz ji, why are Parsi's so successful in India? They also belong to the minority community! Time for some introspection!
DeleteI fail to understand that why we are transfixed on 'Kashmiri Pandits'. Hindus from all castes were booted out or forced to move out of the valley, not only Kashmiri pandits. Then why such a noice only about Kashmiri pandits. Why not talk about people from other caste also who were thrown out. If you do simple maths, then you'll see that out of total number of hindus who moved out of valley, pandits were a mere minority.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder India remains and will remain to be divided on caste lines. What a pity.
Respected Sir,
ReplyDeleteYour right about saying 1% mischievous people are often successful in misguiding the 99% and make Hindus and Muslims fight with each other. If only those 99% understood this there won't be any problem.
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As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country/region/city they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness: Nation % Muslim United States 1.0% Australia 1.5% Italy 1.5% Norway 1.8% Canada 1.9% China 2.0% At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs: Nation % Muslim Denmark 2.0% United Kingdom 2.7% Germany 3.7% Spain 4.0% Thailand 4.6% From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. Nation % Muslim Switzerland 4.3% Philippines 5.0% Sweden 5.0% The Netherlands 5.5% Trinida and Tabago 5.8% France 8.0% At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons). Nation % Muslim Guyana 10.0% India 13.4% Israel 16.0% Kenya 10.0% Russia 15.0% After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Nation % Muslim Ethiopia 32.8% At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare: Nation % Muslim Bosnia 40.0% Chad 50.1% Lebanon 59.7% From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels: Nation % Muslim Albania 70.0% Malaysia 60.4% Qatar 77.5% Sudan 70.0% After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide: Nation % Muslim Bangladesh 83.0% Egypt 90.0% Gaza 98.7% Indonesia 86.1% Iran 98.0% Iraq 97.0% Jordan 92.0% Morocco 98.7% Pakistan 97.0% Syria 90.0% Tajikistan 90.0% Turkey 99.8% United Arab Emirates 96.0% 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' — the Islamic House of Peace — there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: Nation % Muslim Yemen 99.9% Afghanistan 100.0% Saudi Arabia 100.0% Somalia 100.0% Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons like dogs.
ReplyDeleteWell written with statistics and informative
DeleteThere can be no doubt that the Kashmiri Brahmin is the first of the Aryan Race and Kashmiri is close to Rigvedic Sanskrit. It is a numbers game in the Valley and the Kashmiri Brahmin has always lacked numbers. This community is proud of being both an Indian and a Kashmiri Brahmin. Mentally their contribution is well known and physically they are a superb Race. A great asset to mother India.
ReplyDeleteSuperb Race??? How?? Bhagne me tez hain isliye physically superb race hain? Stop this race business.
DeleteRespected Mr. Katju
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I hope you are aware of these teachings in Sunni Islam -
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[Sahi Bukhari is second to Koran for Sunni Muslims. This is what it says about Jihad.]
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Sahih Bukhari 4:53:386 "Our Prophet ordered us to Fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission.
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Sahih Bukhari 4:52:65 "A man came to the Prophet and asked, 'A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?' The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause.'"
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Now let me quote a verse of Koran that teaches Islamic Supremacism.
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3:110 "You [Muslims] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind ..)"
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Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Hurayrah [companion of Muhammad - highly trustworthy according to Sunnis] commented on this Ayah, "(You, Muslims, are) the best nation of people for the people, you bring them tied in chains on their necks (capture them in war) and they later embrace Islam.''
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Sunni Islam has four Schools. Maliki, Shafi, Hanabli and Hanafi. All 4 schools claim that it is a religious duty to wage Jihad on Non Muslim Lands and establishing Sharia.
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Indian Muslims generally follow Hanafi School. Let me quote an excerpt from a classical Hanafi Manual -
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Hidaya, Vol 2 pg 140 -
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"It is not lawful to make war upon any people who have never before been called to the faith, without previously requiring them to embrace it, because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith, and also because the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion".
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To me, all the text sounds as if Muslim Prophet Muhammad had commanded Jihad on Non Muslims because they are Non Muslims.
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Frankly, that's religious bigotry and terrorism.
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Would you explicitly speak against such Sunni teachings - and work to reform it? And till that happens, does the average Indian has a right to self defense in Non violent ways - that is not letting a concentrated Sunni Muslim dominated area form nearby his housing?
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Honestly, I for one would be highly cautious to live next door to a person whose world view includes idolization of declaring Jihad on Non Muslims. Not sure about others, but I would certainly not give my place for rent to such people.
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And have a look at this verse -
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The example of those who disbelieve is like that of one who shouts at what hears nothing but calls and cries cattle or sheep - deaf, dumb and blind, so they do not understand.
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It alleges that non Muslims are like deaf, dumb and blind.
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Is this not Anti Non Muslim bigotry?
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We scoff at Manusmriti for teaching Anti Dalit bigotry. An we label people who spouse communal supremacism as hate mongers. But when it comes to religious text of Sunni Muslims, we are feel morally obligated to do otherwise - to pretend that it is something else than what it is at face value. This is intellectual dishonesty. And it has no excuse, except for a logically challenged brain.
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In my opinion, it is this Islamic Supremacism taught in traditional Sunni Muslim text that makes it impossible for Sunni Muslims to co exist one equal terms with Non Muslims. This is the root of the problem. And I think will continue to remain so - unless Sunni Muslims find incentives to reform and reject these Anti Non Muslim teachings.
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Expecting Non Muslims to "respect" such teachings is akin to expect Women to "respect" a misogynistic text.
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I think its up to Non Muslims to defend their nations and values against this onslaught of almost global label.
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Lip services and euphemisms like "All religions teach the same thing" in the nauseating environment of political correctness is furthering the deficit of trust.
Katju sahab ne 2-3 kitabein pad rakhi hain aur unhe lagne laga ki duniya ki tamam budhimatta unme aa gayi. Shaturmurg ret mein gardan chupa le to kya shikari use chod dega? Kashmir se bhaga diye gaye aur yahan pe secularism ka paath padha rahe hain. Hinduon ne aaj tak jo bhi retaliate kiya hai woh sirf defence mein par katju ji pata nahin kaun si duniya mein rahate hain?
DeleteReading your allusions to the fulminations by Shahi Bukhari, an ordinary Muslim would insist that these are not in Koran, and as such irrelevant. They would still say that the Koran was not written, but the direct word from God Almighty, and the first mortal to hear them was illiterate, and as such they are real and immutable, nobody should question it's validity. This faith is the pestilence that God cursed mankind with. We Indians should apprehend the day when the "true followers of the God" demands another homeland for the "Pure".
DeleteBhai jaan ani aukat par aa gaye. This is what the person was trying to tell you. You got Pakistan and now want another home land for the pure. What pure are you talking about? That is the problem with most muslims in India
DeleteYes, you are correct. Some Muslims in Kerala State had, years back tried to recruit Muslim youth in an attempt to send them to Pakistan to fight the Indian infidel soldiers in Kashmir. All of them got slained by Indian Jawans. Recently a funeral prayers were conducted in a Mosque in Kerala for whom, but Ajmal Kasab, the Pakistani terrorist executed recently. The congregation in Mosque were told that he was hanged unjustly. That is the patriotism of certain class of educated Muslims in Kerala state.
DeleteYour Excellency Sri. Katju Sir,
ReplyDeleteYour progenitors had the foresight to leave Kashmir at the opportune time so that their progeny including yourself became stalwarts in the Indian political establishment. The fact that your father became a Chief Minister of another state attest to that truth. But were it otherwise, i.e., that they opted to live in the valley, hoping that they would prosper as it was in the times of Zain-ul-abdin, where would you have fetched up? I am sure that you and your family, if not massacred by the jehadis, would be living in the refugee camps of Jammu or some other godforsaken place. The 1% you alluded to as the trouble makers is Islam is not true. 99% of them are of that category, the rest being upright.
It seems you asked a fellow traveller in flight who happened to be a business man about conditions in Gujarat. He replied in positive and this was not the answer you like. Once again you posed question about 2000 muslims being killed. The answer from the gentlemen once again was not of your liking and the result is "all the fragrance of Arabia"
ReplyDeleteI ask you who are you to decide whether Narendra Modi is innocent or guilty.
Has nt the court not given its verdict.
Are you questioning the verdict of the Judicial system of which you were a part.
You tell that you dont buy the story that Narendra Modi is innocent.
Who are you to decide?
When court has given verdict, when people of gujarat have given verdict for 3 successive time ? Who cares about you.
If you dont like any person just keep queit?
Dont use your new job given by your political master to vent anger and please them.
Shame on you and you were a supreme Court judge.
Govt report says 200 and odd hindus were killed and 700 and odd muslims were killed , but you say 2000 muslims were killed in Godhra. Where did you get this fancy figure.
Have you spared any words for the kar sevaks who were charred by muslims of Godhra.
And you dont want to speak about anti sikh carnage by the Congress.
Shame on you and for god's sake shut and please dont end up like another divijay or trivedi.
was he a judge in SC ? Scary
ReplyDeleteYour Excellency Sri. Katju Sir,
ReplyDeleteYour site's appellation is "Satyam Bruyat". Our holy Upanishads says that truth is ill-favored, unpalatable and as such it should be veiled by a golden vessel. The truth about Islam is highly fiendish, and as such unspeakable. As long as Hindus are recreant, to such an extent the Islam would be thuggish. The way forward is to utter the truth as it is. Any dissembling will only exacerbate the situation.
Why no one talks about the regular and annual communal riots that happened in Hyderabad starting from the year of our independence to till mid of eighties till N.T.Ramarao took the reins and showed his grit to put an end such annual riots.
ReplyDeleteWhen NT Ramarao lost power and Chenna Reddy (of Congress) became the chief minister again the riots erupted and hundreds were killed in 1990.
Most of the communal riots at Hyderabad during seventies and eighties were instigated by the then political leaders of Congress.
Why Mr.M.Katju does NOT talk about the murderers (Sajjan Kumar and Jagadish Tytler)who were responsible for the killings of thousands of Sikhs during post-assasination of Mrs Indira Gandhi.
May be he is afraid of losing his post-retirement job offered by UPA government.
shut up, modi dint have any role in 2002 riots SC has given clean chit to him who r u to comment on it??
ReplyDeleteYou yourself being a judge should know that SIT appointed by Supreme court have not said anything about Modi. Riots in 2002 were controlled in 1 day, all adjacent congress ruled states refused to send any police to gujrat for help even after modi requesting it. Kashmiri pandits like me were selectively targeted so that we leave the valley. Announcements were made in the death of night on loudspeakers throughout Kashmir and the slogan was "Hindu men leave from Kashmir but leave behind your girls and wives."
ReplyDeleteIf you go to Kashmir today (I was there few months back) they ask you "when did u come from India/when are you going back to India." This is the language. Your lecturing is of no use unless you yourself feel the pain of leaving your nests of thousands of years. Atleast Modi is saying development of all, appeasement of none. Have you said anything against mulayams or gandhis or abdullahs or thackreys. Plus let me remind you what Modi has said, "if i am guilty, hang me on the road, but dont pardon me if I just say sorry." This is the man he is. Not that I am any modi bhakt, but we can look through clearly what phony seculars are trying to do,
Lots to say, but dont want to waste time & energy on someone whose mind is made up and is not ready to go through the facts.
Let me give you one more example:
There has been thousands of riots in India post 47 (including 2002), you are a judge, make a statistic of each and every riot, from what prompted riots, how did it happen, what and who were the casualties, who were responsible, what was the time taken to calm things down, what was the investigation done, what was the result. If you have guts, do it and make the results public. Do it, i request you, do it and make it public. Either I change my views after the results or you change it.
Dont mean any disrespect to you, but but but...enough of lies now.
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