In my opinion wearing burqa or hijab is a disgusting relic of feudal subjugation and servitude of Muslim women, and should be quickly done away with, not by force, but by educating and enlightening people, including Muslim women.
Some people say that Muslim women wear burqa or hijab of their own free will, and are not forced to do so. My reply is that the force which compels Muslim women who wear the burqa or hijab to do so is the force of feudal customs, habits and practices, which stamp the feudal sign of inferiority on a woman wearing it. If this force of feudal customs and feudal practices did not exist hardly any Muslim woman would wear the burqa, which only imprisons her.
Some people say that not covering the body has led to rapes of women. This is a stupid argument. Nobody is saying that women (or for that matter, men) should go around naked. But if a woman is wearing a sari or salwar kurta, or even jeans and a shirt is she going around naked?
I appeal to Muslim men, particularly the youth, to follow the example of the great Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, who abolished feudalism and feudal practices, such as wearing the burqa and following the outdated and oppressive ( particularly to women) shariat law in Turkey and modernized it.
-Justice Katju
Some people say that Muslim women wear burqa or hijab of their own free will, and are not forced to do so. My reply is that the force which compels Muslim women who wear the burqa or hijab to do so is the force of feudal customs, habits and practices, which stamp the feudal sign of inferiority on a woman wearing it. If this force of feudal customs and feudal practices did not exist hardly any Muslim woman would wear the burqa, which only imprisons her.
Some people say that not covering the body has led to rapes of women. This is a stupid argument. Nobody is saying that women (or for that matter, men) should go around naked. But if a woman is wearing a sari or salwar kurta, or even jeans and a shirt is she going around naked?
I appeal to Muslim men, particularly the youth, to follow the example of the great Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, who abolished feudalism and feudal practices, such as wearing the burqa and following the outdated and oppressive ( particularly to women) shariat law in Turkey and modernized it.
-Justice Katju
Why burqa then? Ghoongat? pallu? odni. You are now going in stupid argument. It is mentioned in Islam for women to cover her body properly. There must be reason for it. Dont want to go in detail. But then how you are integrating society.
ReplyDeleteHi Sameer,
DeleteI have just gone through wiki page of Mustafa_Kemal_Atatürk. I urge you to go through the following lines.
"The social change can come by (1) educating capable mothers who are knowledgeable about life; (2) giving freedom to women; (3) a man can change his morals, thoughts, and feelings by leading a common life with a woman; as there is an inborn tendency towards the attraction of mutual affection"
Now, any change in the custom which we are keep practicing will be difficult to get accepted easily..(Just think about the (evil) and old practice SATI...the wife will go and die in the same fire where husband is buried..many reformists fought hard to get rid of these evil practices). Now, what Katju is saying is : burqa is a symbol of making Muslim women denying their freedom(in the name of religion) ..by means of getting rid of these customs, Katju is only implying to improve the societal condition of Muslim woman.
Go through the lines again and wiki too with open mind.
Madad chahti hain yeh hawa ki beti
ReplyDeleteYashoda ki hum-jinas radha ki beti
Paigambar ki ummat julekhaa ki beti
Jinhe naaz hain ...
Zara is mulk ke rahbaron ko bulao
Ye kuche ye galiyaan ye manzar dikhao
Jinhe naaz hain hind par unko lao
Jinhe naaz hain hind par woh kaha hain
Kahan hain, kahaan hain ....
Wearing Burqa , like the macabre Sati is another outlandish and subjugating practice. Unfortunately Islam is so didactic and stifles the mind and the human spirit. The puritans can argue to any length but the fact is their Shariat law is as vile as untouchability, Sati, Child marriage and assault of women.
ReplyDeleteBut I wonder if a law will help to ban this bizarre practise in India. It will be inviting braying and trouble. As you mentioned in your post on Mustafa Kamal Muslims need a Mustafa Kamal if they ever want to be out from the abyss.
And to add a full length veil has never protected women from assault in fact they are assaulted within physically and mentally.
I cannot believe that people is comparing Sati with Burqa. Sati was totally barbaric and you cannot find any practice in the world worse than Sati. Some people try to find unscientific, and immoral things in Islam and when they failed to do so, they start proving good as a bad.
DeleteIf burqa should be shunned then why not sari and salwar , these are also not the symbol of freedom,these are also feudal customs, habits and practices. So according to this view naked will be the scientific,modern and best way,GREAT IDEA ...now you can got what you want ultimately.
I cannot believe that people is comparing Sati with Burqa. Sati was totally barbaric and you cannot find any practice in the world worse than Sati. Some people try to find unscientific, and immoral things in Islam and when they failed to do so, they start proving good as a bad.
ReplyDeleteIf burqa should be shunned then why not sari and salwar , these are also not the symbol of freedom,these are also feudal customs, habits and practices. So according to this view naked will be the scientific,modern and best way,GREAT IDEA ...now you can got what you want ultimately.
If a religion that is didactic and stifling with its bigotry decrees , yes Sari, salwar etc too may become dresses that are to be shunned. And anyone questioning it will be stoned. Isn't this the case?
ReplyDeleteSati was evil and so is any form of practise thrust upon women and Burqa is one such.Are Muslim women given the choice ? They are controlled , blinkered and choke collared and if they dare resist the Damocles sword of religion is used. Isn't this the case?
And famously a cliched phrase is used by the controlling forces and unfortunately even some women swear by it,'burqa is the expression of identity" .My foot.
First of all there is no difference between burqa,sari and salwar in terms of freedom.
DeleteSecond, when you are talking about choice ask the same question to your self, are your women given the choice to follow western fashion? So please don't talk about choices, the only difference in choice is the limit, your limit is sari and salwar and our limit is burqa.
And if you are taking about those tiny percentage in big cities and movie industry, Its because being educated they are not following Hinduism any more, after your scriptures have been proven wrong for 1000 times by modern science. But this is not the same with muslims because nor their scripture is incompatible with modern science neither their beliefs became weak.
Firstly I comment not as a Hindu . Though I have been born to parents who are Hindus. Mr Aziz has commented like a typical ordained, indoctrinated Muslim. ie all else and all things other than what we say and follow are wrong. And all those who are not Muslims are khafirs and rogues. And that only Muslims bleed. Its a pity.
DeleteReminds me of a fascinating anecdote. A Muslim preacher ( Mullaha) vociferously kept proclaiming that there are all things that pertains to Man and Universe in his holy book. And that every invention has been mentioned in it before it was invented. A enterprising boy stood up and asked unable to tolerate his lopsided claims , "Mullaha in your holy book is there anything mentioned about paracetamol and how it can be produced"?
Mr Aziz until you guys learn to tolerate, respect and accept argumentation and inclusion , all that Islam can produce for posterity is nothing but suicide bombers and violence.
You cannot for any reason claim that Burqa is not vile. It is not an archaic form of forced dress code not simply to cover skin but the soul and spirit of women.
"You cannot for any reason claim that Burqa is not vile."
DeleteIts so pathetic that when you have nothing valid to say in support of your argument, you start commanding it. And always alleged terrorism on muslims as a last resort, because thats the only way to escape for you....So pathetic.
Ok friend, my apologize , I rephrase. "Burqa is evil and stiffing of the spirit". It is now a statement and you can refute it with reasons that are not masochist.
DeleteThe unfortunate fact is it is in societies where Muslims live that violence is unabated.Though we have problems in all societies Muslims think for them as a class apart and as in the middle east the Wahhabi form of Islam wants the world for themselves.
It is a pity. Why cannot you respect other religions? Why do you want to dominate other societies. There is considerable freedom for all faith in India but even a Muslim cannot breathe without fear in the barbaric country of Saudi Arabia where every word is spoken sworn after your Prophet and God.
The issue here is not just a burka or if a woman wears it of her volition or is forced to. but even educated Muslims such as presumably you are living with blinkers and shows no mindset to be inclusive and tolerant.
And Mr Aziz, if you are there please care to answer my two replies point by point . That is what discussion is about isn't it?
DeleteWell, First of all I don't know what you are calling violence, if you mean by wars in syria, egypt and other few countries, then it is because of transitional period as respected justice Katju said, it has happened to all the countries including America, Europe and US. And it has nothing to do with being muslim country.As far as the wahabiat is concern I don't know much about them but they are very few in numbers and almost negligible in India.
DeleteIt is just a perception that muslims cannot respect other religions. can you make clear where are you seeing muslim not respecting other religions. In fact you have problem with burqa,beef and 100 many more things of muslims which is no where violating any right of you. Have you seen any muslim protesting against your sati,cast system or rape and fraudulent acts of some Babas.
These misconception are literally created by western media and millions of anti-muslim books written over the last century for their own gain and later on followed by the Indian media as always.
Muslims, specially Indian muslims always respected the other religions but unfortunately they have not been treated equally and thats the problem.
“Well, First of all I don't know what you are calling violence, if you mean by wars in syria, egypt and other few countries, then it is because of transitional period as respected justice Katju said, it has happened to all the countries including America, Europe and US. And it has nothing to do with being muslim country.”
DeleteMy friend you have got it wrong. The problems or the gory violent life that persists in the Arab world, in the Middle East is nothing related to transition. Transition can happen only in societies that have institutions that are democratic. The violent saga in the Arab world has been on since the advent of Islam. It is rather ironical that the same God and his messenger could not put to order the perpetual warring Shiites and Sunnis. One can understand the tribal societies in a certain age in history that were perpetually killing and plundering but the same to happen in this era is quite an achievement of Islam or whatever people in the Muslim world makes out of it. Why do Sunnis kill Shiites? Tell me? Give me a logical explanation. I say that it is because of intolerance of Sunnis and in equal measure the Shiites. These tow folks will for another millennia and more kill and maim one another to determine who can be the legitimate successor to Mohammed. And still not find and answer. Reason – intolerance and disregard for another’s view point- the bane of Islam as we can see. However you can find consolation in the fact that the right wing Hindutva groups are now rivalling extreme Islamists to be the custodians of intolerance and bigotry.( Ill follow my comments in the next post reply as this has crossed the maximum limit).
Mr Aziz here the remaining portion of the reply
Delete“As far as the wahabiat is concern I don't know much about them but they are very few in numbers and almost negligible in India.”
The above statement I’m afraid tells your ignorance. Wahhabism is the brand of Sunni Islam that Saudi Arabia is exporting. And the terror angle in India is funded by this Wahhabi money. What we see in the ideology of Al Qaeda and other terror wings like LT or Jaishe Mohamed and even in the ISISI , now in Iraq is another extreme form of Sunni Wahhabism. They want to create a Caliphate stretching from the Mediterranean to South Asia. Fantastic philosophy of inclusiveness and tolerance. Isn’t it?
Mr Aziz the third portion of my reply -
Delete“It is just a perception that muslims cannot respect other religions. can you make clear where are you seeing muslim not respecting other religions.”
My friend, are you feigning ignorance. Surely you cannot be naïve as you seem to confess through your statement here. Let us discuss examples from history and recent times. Tell me why was the Bahamian Buddha the 6 th century year monolith sculpture, monumental statues of standing Buddha carved into the side of a cliff in the Bamwam valley in Afghanistan bombarded by the Taliban the neolith faithful’s of Islam? If that was not uncivilsed and abhorrent intolerance then certainly it was also a blatant form of intolerance propagated by Islam. Those criminal, the terrorist, and the thugs- the Taliban tore down the statue with heavy artillery in the name of Allah. Strange if the God of Islam demands disrespect and irreverence of other faith. Do you really believe that there is a Islamic God the only true God, that there is a Christian God, that there is a Hindu vile God and a Jewish God? Do you insist that people believe in this fairy tale and kill their own? Why is the Muslim foray into India splashed and soiled by blood and the aid of sword? Why were the Hindu temples of ancient India deracinated, desecrated and Hindus put to sword?Why were there forced conversions? Look at the biographies of Mohammed of Ghori and Ghazanni for instance. What else were those excursions of terror if it was not intolerance? Rajiv Gandhi buckled and urinated like a fool and amended the law under Muslim pressure to circumvent the court ruling favouring a destitute Muslim woman Sha Bano who was denied maintenance by her husband sighting the inglorious but God sent Muslim personal law. What was that my friend if that was not intolerance and refusal to heed to civilised norms? My friend do you know which was the first Mosque in India? Do you have any idea? Can you guess? The Cheraman Masjid is in Kodungalloor, near Kochin in Kerala is said to be the very first mosque in India, built in 629 AD by Malik lbn Dinar. The land was gifted by the local Hindu ruler.
Mr Aziz the final portion of the reply
Delete“In fact you have problem with burqa,beef and 100 many more things of muslims which is no where violating any right of you. Have you seen any muslim protesting against your sati,cast system or rape and fraudulent acts of some Babas.”
You got it wrong here using me in the first person. ( ‘…your Sati, your beef etc.”)Yes I was born to Hindu parents and that precisely helped me to respect and tolerate different faith. My friend do you really believe that there is a Muslim God, a Hindu God, Christian God, a Jewish God etc.? My friend I’m not a Hindu as you may believe, and perhaps I will agree if you say Im a Hindu with no religious fervor and madness like many of Hindus and many Muslims and Christians too. I do not believe or see any reason to claim that there is a Hindu God and he alone is great. I see only reasons to rubbish people who say so and Muslims too who claim that only Islam is true. If Muslims did not protest against Sati it shows how barbaric they think. My friend Sati was one evil aspect of Hinduism and thankfully done away. Casteism, child marriage, ban of widow marriage etc. are other forms of evil in Hinduism. Like stifling woman in Burqa, like stoning women, like your triple Talq helping men, like polygamy and subjugating women thereafter are vices in Islam. If you do not protest and raise voice against all these evils be it in any faith you are a bad Muslim and above all a worst kind of human being, a abominable one. That goes with me and everyone. Understand that. Even though I’m not religious I go to temples, Churches and have been to Mosques too. I find no God cursing me for that. Can you do that with free mind without your mullahs and fellow Muslims kicking you ? My friend it is not Muslims alone who bleed. The colour of blood for you and me is red.
“These misconception are literally created by western media and millions of anti-muslim books written over the last century for their own gain and later on followed by the Indian media as always.”
Why do you allow for misconception? Have you listened to this Islamic preacher Zakhir Naik? The invectives he throws at Hinduism , Christianity and other religions? He proclaims that as I mentioned in my earlier reply to you that “Koran has everything truthful. Implying all other Texts of other faith are rubbish. The silence of the educated among Muslims in the face of the bigotry of Clerics and their perverted logic , is what helps the West talk nonsense of your faith. Come-on my friend Muslims has been allowed to migrate to France, to UK, To Spain and many Western countries. They are free to practice Islam there. They have equal citizenship rights. And you say that there is misconception in the West. This is ungratefulness and nonsense my friend. You will have more freedom and respect in the West if you go there than in the custodian country of Islam Saudi Arabia.
“Muslims, specially Indian muslims always respected the other religions but unfortunately they have not been treated equally and thats the problem.”
Wrong absolutely wrong and your contention is egregious. In fact Muslims in India are a pampered lot by the Congress rule and their vote bank politics. I do not know what the BJP would do. If Muslims in India have not developed they are themselves to be blamed. Their stifling laws, practices and clerics who hold fatwas like in medieval Arabia to silence progressive voices among Muslims are the reason for your backwardness. Why do Muslims in northern district of Kerala want the criminal law to be amended to free Mulsim men to marry minor girls? My friend you go to Pakistan, go to Middle East you will then see what it means by freedom of expression and fundamental rights. You have it here. If you cannot be happy still, look within. For the Kingdom of heaven may be within you.
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