Sunday 24 May 2015

gay relationships and gay marriage

8:50 pm, 23.05.2015, Vancouver

Once again, discussing gay relationships and gay marriage

      This evening I had a long discussion with some young ladies in Vancouver about gay relationships and gay marriage. They argued very coolly and persuasively, and convinced me to change my opinion partially on the subject.

     I have an open mind and no ego problem, and I admit that sometimes my opinions may be wholly or partially wrong. I am a human being, and sometimes do commit mistakes. What these young ladies have persuaded me of, by giving me the scientific facts, is that a small percentage of the population have brains that are wired so that they are attracted to the same sex. They love people of the same sex, and there should be no objection or judgment towards that in a free society. I think they're right. Therefore I was at least partially wrong.

      However, I am still of the opinion that ordinarily same sex relationships are unnatural, and heterosexual relationships are natural. That being said, I believe that homosexual relationships should certainly not be made a criminal offense as they are today in India, vide section 377 of the Indian Penal Code. That provision should be abolished immediately.

12 comments:

  1. Natural vs Unnatural is a arbitrary, non-existent dichotomy. Making this distinction does NOT help us make any decisions at all. Earthquakes, snake bites, babies born with heart defects are all NATURAL. Surgery, agriculture, concrete, and flying in an aeroplane - are all "unnatural", according to this arbitrary distinction.

    Now, "natural" is said in the sense of "what is X's purpose?", this is again a futile line of reasoning. Despite what the majority may believe, life doesn't have a designer, it evolved. Asking "what is the purpose behind X?" or "Why are we here?" is as meaningless a question as asking "What is the color of jealousy?" Not all grammatically correct sentences are meaningful. No one has explicated the limits of language better than Ludwig Wittgenstein.

    I recommend all reader to watch this debate between Richard Dawkins and Cardinal George Pell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8hy8NxZvFY
    Since man is product of nature, all phenomena that exist, including man-made ones, should be called "natural". Or phrased differently, not all nature-made things are good, and not all man-made things are bad. Given this, the implicit argument "X is unnatural and therefore, harmful" depends on a false premise.

    Next problem is: "If X is harmful, should it be outlawed?". In my opinion, the justification for law comes from the possibility of some actions to cause harm to others, not to oneself. We haven't outlawed eating icecream, or reading books like Mein Kampf. Homosexual relationships, or oral or anal sex, as long as it is consensual, should be no different.

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  2. I strongly believe in the fact that everybody has the right to live his or her life as per his wish. The govt. and the Apex Court can not roll out the daily routine for the citizens of India. Also, section 377 IPC and others should be taken off from the law books. However, it should be made a cognizable offence if anyone hides his or her sexuality status/ opinion. For this kind of offence, accused should be sentenced life time imprisonment (absolute and not the day night calculation) in order to set the example amongst others. And this will lead honesty in our society.

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  3. I fully agree with Katju Sir that homosexuality is unnatural. But the other point is that persons with homosexuality leanings force themselves upon their prey (and mind it, it happens) even if the other person is interested or not. That is to satisfy their urge. Rape also happens to satisfy the sexual urge only. If section 377 IPC will be taken off the law books, then even children may be forced to do the acts which may not be of their wanting. And in a country like India where Rape even with minors, Child Abuse (pedophilia) are rampart, the homosexuality will cause another type of litigation. People will be ashamed of forceful act of homosexuality being reported to his family members, police, media etc.

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  4. I believe its one of nature's mechanisms to keep population in control.

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  5. you really disappointed me and the free-thinking people by labeling homosexuals as un-natural given the public perception of animosity and antagonism against them in our society ridden with feudal archaic patriarchal values.

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  6. you really disappointed me and the free-thinking people by labeling homosexuals as un-natural given the public perception of animosity and antagonism against them in our society ridden with feudal archaic patriarchal values.

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